Saturday, May 31, 2008

i didn't know U were that kind

tom bannis told employees that it was Ok to lie cheat and embezzle a little bit every day.. and if U didn't aggree with him he would say..U have a attitude problem! and " oh no i didn't know U were that "kind" because in holland michigan.

it OK to be morally RETARDED...!

Thursday, May 29, 2008

R U retarded

Ya i worked with a few people who were morally retardd at thermotron..

shelly (the slut) in parts .. got the guy who was called " the caveman" because he was extra hairy.. to get her pregant.. so she could have a boy friend..

she called everything.. as "just politics" but she was a typical retard.. her answer was .. always .. "we can get in it 4 to 6 weeks..!!" duh....

deception is normal

Ya at thermotron u are supposted to smile and say OK .. to get along..

Being a passage aggressive is normal in holland mi.. (we all want to appear gOOd)

The Fellowship Forum: Passive Aggressive BehaviorI am very familiar with the passage aggressive personality 'Chelle- not from a ... who is exhibiting stronge evidence of passive aggressive behavior. ...
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Tuesday, May 27, 2008

nothing BUTT the tRUth

nutt-10 - bUTT the tRUth will sEt U fREE

thermotron ass-holes

at thermotron i worked with the most incredible amount of liars thieves, embezzlers and AssHoles.

as Dave water field the roger cannary replacement.. national service manager

said to me.. that office stood out like a "sore thumb" I told him that under tom bannish's supervision... who ever steals the most and does the least WINS..

and as gregory V johnson said .. it does not matter who u rob, and steal .. so long as u blame it on someone else.. at thermotron it does not matter if the equipment works or not.. just get the customer to "sign off" because we are ALL AssHoles.!!



ya thermotron is the only place where i worked where .. being currupt is considered .... OK... every one there PLAY's Church..

Thursday, May 22, 2008

kill your conscience.. with pratice!!

proper training is everything!!

when i was at thermotron i got training in how 2 be a thief!

i had DE -- struction -- by , the SENIOR service engineer's the Junior field technicians.. the BRANCH Manager, the REGIONAL manager, the NATIONAL service manager..

and the parts department..

and as they said ... everyo0ne is a thief... a little bit everyday..!!

get it while U can / moral degeneration



moral degeneration

As we said before, Satanism is much more than being hooded in a coven during a Full Moon ceremony. Satanism is encouraging indulgence in all matters of the flesh, as we have already shown. Once you understand the truth that today's America is encouraging indulgence in all matters of the flesh, you will understand that we are already prepared to accept Antichrist. Now, we can understand the sentiment uttered above, by a college senior, that the "President's sex life is none of our business", or that sentiment uttered by another, who said that the President's sex life is "irrelevant to performing his job". What this tells you is that these people have the same Satanic personal values as does President Clinton. Since so many Americans apparently share this value system, the "sheep are ready to shear", i.e., the American people are ready to be enslaved under Antichrist.

I think you have gotten the point by now. America has changed her formerly Christian values to Satanic ones, without any one understanding what has happened. But, now that you know, can you see that President Clinton is merely acting out in his life, in his body, the normal inclinations for any good Satanist? And, can you see that those people who think what he is doing is "normal", or who excuse it in any way, or who express their desire to sleep with the President, are also subscribing to Satanism?

Wednesday, May 21, 2008

Monday, May 19, 2008

obey

Understanding Workplace Harassment



ya when at thermotron .. it's ok because "He's got a problem!!

AT thermotron it's OK to refer to your co-workers as Gay.. as if they were a homosexual.. even though they are not!

this is called politics.. ask, danny boy.. he like to say" Well i HEARD about youuu"
becasue his manages were told to be dishonest.. and back stab their co-workers.

dave waterfield another hire of dan okeefe.. believed what ever lies that were told to him, like roger cannary.. if harrassed the co workers.. and disparaged them behind their backs..

tom bannish was a PRO- at this.. and bragged that everone would believe his lies, and not question his directives..

WHEN dick mcKenley the sales manager with tom bannish started spreading lies about joyce palmer the sales support woman.. i called up and asked them why they were drumming her out?

and as tom patterson told me .. welli guess they then attacked U, because you were not the type of "companyman" they like.. and they attacked U and harrased U to teach the rest of the " holland clowns " get in line!!

and as tom patterson at espec said.. he quit because after dan okeefe demenstraded his manager style.. he "didn't have STUPID WRITTEN ON HIS FORHEAD.!!



Understanding Workplace Harassment


Workplace Harassment is a Form of Discrimination

Unlawful harassment is a form of discrimination that violates Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and other federal authority.

Unwelcome verbal or physical conduct based on race, color, religion, sex (whether or not of a sexual nature and including same-gender harassment and gender identity harassment), national origin, age (40 and over), disability (mental or physical), sexual orientation, or retaliation (sometimes collectively referred to as “legally protected characteristics”) constitutes harassment when:

The conduct is sufficiently severe or pervasive to create a hostile work environment; or

A supervisor’s harassing conduct results in a tangible change in an employee’s employment status or benefits (for example, demotion, termination, failure to promote, etc.).



Hostile work environment harassment occurs when unwelcome comments or conduct based on sex, race or other legally protected characteristics unreasonably interferes with an employee’s work performance or creates an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment. Anyone in the workplace might commit this type of harassment – a management official, co-worker, or non-employee, such as a contractor, vendor or guest. The victim can be anyone affected by the conduct, not just the individual at whom the offensive conduct is directed.

Examples of actions that may create sexual hostile environment harassment include:

Leering, i.e., staring in a sexually suggestive manner

Making offensive remarks about looks, clothing, body parts

Touching in a way that may make an employee feel uncomfortable, such as patting, pinching or intentional brushing against another’s body

Telling sexual or lewd jokes, hanging sexual posters, making sexual gestures, etc.

Sending, forwarding or soliciting sexually suggestive letters, notes, emails, or images

Other actions which may result in hostile environment harassment, but are non-sexual in nature, include:

Use of racially derogatory words, phrases, epithets

Demonstrations of a racial or ethnic nature such as a use of gestures, pictures or drawings which would offend a particular racial or ethnic group

Comments about an individual’s skin color or other racial/ethnic characteristics

Making disparaging remarks about an individual’s gender that are not sexual in nature

Negative comments about an employee’s religious beliefs (or lack of religious beliefs)

Expressing negative stereotypes regarding an employee’s birthplace or ancestry

Negative comments regarding an employee’s age when referring to employees 40 and over

Derogatory or intimidating references to an employee’s mental or physical impairment

Harassment that results in a tangible employment action occurs when a management official’s harassing conduct results in some significant change in an employee’s employment status (e.g., hiring, firing, promotion, failure to promote, demotion, formal discipline, such as suspension, undesirable reassignment, or a significant change in benefits, a compensation decision, or a work assignment). Only individuals with supervisory or managerial responsibility can commit this type of harassment.

A claim of harassment generally requires several elements, including:

The complaining party must be a member of a statutorily protected class;

S/he was subjected to unwelcome verbal or physical conduct related to his or her membership in that protected class;

The unwelcome conduct complained of was based on his or her membership in that protected class;

The unwelcome conduct affected a term or condition of employment and/or had the purpose or effect of unreasonably interfering with his or her work performance and/or creating an intimidating, hostile or offensive work environment.


What is Not Harassment?

The anti-discrimination statutes are not a general civility code. Thus, federal law does not prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not extremely serious. Rather, the conduct must be so objectively offensive as to alter the conditions of the individual’s employment. The conditions of employment are altered only if the harassment culminates in a tangible employment action or is sufficiently severe or pervasive to create a hostile work environment.

Report any incident of harassment immediately to your supervisor, any member of management and/or to the Director of the Office of Workplace Diversity.


Note

Any employee wishing to initiate an EEO complaint arising out of the alleged incident of harassment must contact an FCC EEO Counselor or other EEO official within 45 calendar days of the date of the incident. For information on how to contact an EEO Counselor, visit http://www.fcc.gov/owd/counselors.html. The employee should not wait until the agency’s internal harassment inquiry is completed to contact a counselor if waiting will allow the 45-day time limit to expire.

embezzlement is normal

ya i asked thermotron what they budgeted for thief and embezzlement..

Gregory V johnson ,, tom bannish's "pet" bragged that it didn't matter who U robbed and cheated.. and lied about..

a fine example of thermotron former employee

as fred plont told me.. gee isn't everyone a liar and a thief..

and as hil told me "it's one thing for them to know about the thief and embezzlement" but it's another thing for them to "prove it"

thermotron interview

ya when hil sysbesma had the opportunity to interview a guy for field service (being the last of the west coast BRANCH Managers) .. that guy lasted about 3 weeks.. and then quit.. when i asked hil on his background ck's he said .. "well i told the guy there was a LOT of on -the-JOB- training..

but this was better than tom bannish.. and his crew.. tom bannish was the "ring leader" for the thief and embezzler club.



and if U don't know that he is a criminal psycopath.. that means U are an Idoit !!
and are U a 1st or 2nd generation idoit? I asked human resourses and management at thermotron what they budgeted for thief and embezzlement..

the thieves i worked with on the WEST coast.. not only robbed their co-workers, but they robbed the customer too.

field service in california and the west coast

driving is FUN 4 a while in field service.. whooo go ..whooo go




when your parents go to HELL

Ezekiel 22 Again the word of the LORD came to me: 24 "Son of man, say to the land,

'You are a land that has had no rain or showers [c] in the day of wrath.'

25 There is a conspiracy of her princes [d] within her like a roaring lion tearing its prey; they devour people, take treasures and precious things and make many widows within her. 26
Her priests do violence to my law and profane my holy things; they do not distinguish between the holy and the common;
they teach that there is no difference between the unclean and the clean; and they shut their eyes to the keeping of my Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.
27 Her officials within her are like wolves tearing their prey; they shed blood and kill people to make unjust gain.

28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations.

They say, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says'-when the LORD has not spoken.

29 The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the alien, denying them justice.

30 "I looked for a man among them who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it, but I found none.

31 So I will pour out my wrath on them and consume them with my fiery anger, bringing down on their own heads all they have done, declares the Sovereign LORD."








Saturday, May 17, 2008

letts communicate with mitch or john



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letts ask mitch

hey mitch... so how are your communication skills??

so do ya...??
do u know anyone with good character? ha ha .. ya sure...
this is california.. the land where every one is a whore!!

as i tell people

IF U want 2 know an industry and company that is composed of backstabbers

.. ck out the enviromental chamber business..

the motto is "who ever steal the most and does the least " WINS

I am sure alltempengineering can provide quality calibrations..

because thermotron could not do it!!

and tom bannish and gregory V johnson said ..

"it dosen't matter if the equipment works or not...

U are supposted to convince the customer to sign off..

and it dosen't matter what lies U say about your co-workers.."

tom bannish told me U would believe his lies..

Hmm it that still true?

It appears that jim McGrew from LItton was the only person on the west coast california i worked with that had good character..

it is easy to find some one who says ..

"i knew thermotron liar's and theves were Backstabbin U"

tom bannish promoted and encouraged backstabbing!!!

what does that tell U about HIM?

hey maybe John Dane .. might know people with good character?..

i only crossed paths with him onece in the Lobby of Litton..

but i did get an ear full with i talked to randy Bunn from ENSECO.

but randy bunn was not the "sharpest crayon in the box" he actually listened to fred plont's lies.. and he couldn't tell the difference..

fred thinks that if u "expose" a thermotron liar and a thief "

that what makes U a backstabber!!

U are only supposted to say nice thing's about thermotron liars and thieves!!

Oh i know lets "pretend people in the chamber business are "nice" or "good"

ya sure.. ha ha

Wednesday, May 14, 2008

It happened 2 MEeee



harassment is normal


when i worked at thermotron it was normal for the manager's to DRUM people out.. when i mentioned that i write a daily journal ...tom bannish ..said oh, no i didn't know that!! ya when he was in management he drummed out about 90% of the co-workers..
AND the way to stay on his"gOOd ? side.. was to be a false wittness..

the liars and false wittnesses at thermotron say U are supposted to tell thermotron managers what ever they wnat to hear.. and it dosen't matter if it is true or not!!

ask dave waterfield, or roger cannary.. or MR patterson.. or jim roulofs.. or Bo Bjarno etc... or gregory V johnson or Hil Sysbesma maybe dean Tripp

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/bully-beware-bullying-and-harassment-at-work/2947858890










HARASSMENT

The labour law can assist you if you are being harassed at work. Harassment of any kind is in no one’s interest and should not be tolerated at the workplace. Each individual should be treated with dignity and respect at work. The right to be free of harassment in the workplace is protected by law. Harassment is recognised as unfair discrimination.

What constitutes harassment in the workplace?

Harassment in the workplace arises out of an incident, which has affected an individual at work, that is unwelcome, unwanted and has a destructive effect.

In terms of the labour law examples of harassment are-

Bullying;

Spreading malicious rumors, or insulting someone, particular on gender, race or disability grounds;

Ridiculing or degrading someone – picking on them or setting them up to fail;

Exclusion or victimization;

Unfair treatment, for example based on race, gender, sexual orientation, pregnancy, age, disability, religion, HIV status, etc (this type of harassment/discrimination is prohibited in terms of the legislation);

Overbearing supervision or other misuse of power or position;

Unwelcome sexual advances- touching, standing too close and displaying of offensive material;

Making threats/ comments about job security without foundation;

Deliberately undermining a competent worker by overloading and constant criticism;

Preventing individuals progressing by intentionally blocking promotion or training opportunities.

Good practice for an employer:

Employers have a duty to protect their workers from harassment and to inform and educate them about the issues. Employers are encouraged to develop a code of conduct on harassment. This should be done in consultation with both the employees and employee representatives, if applicable.

Why the law considers harassment as a problem in the workplace:

Harassment is not only unacceptable on moral grounds but may create problems for an organisation. It should be addressed as it may -

constitute a violation of human rights;

lead to poor employee morale;

lead to poor employer/employee or employee/employee relations;

threaten the physical and psychological health of the employee;

affect the productivity and performance of employees;

lead to other unfortunate symptoms in the workplace including unexplained absenteeism, late coming and poor concentration at work;

created a hostile intimidating and offensive work environment;

lead to loss in workplace effectiveness and productivity;

lead to competent employees resigning.

What to do in the face of harassment in the workplace:

Keep a record of all incidents; taking notes of dates and times, potential witnesses and details of what took place.

Verbally confront the harasser. In the first instance react informally and speak to the harasser directly. If possible take a witness with you.

If this does not rectify the situation, you could secondly make a formal complaint following the normal complaint/ grievance procedure set up in the workplace. Report the matter to the appropriate person at work.

If you are a member of a union or employee’s association, contact your shop steward or representative;

If you are not a union member, contact the company’s Human Resources Manager or someone else in a position of authority, like your Supervisor or Senior Manger.

If you work in a small business, and the above options are not open to you, contact the CCMA for assistance regarding your rights in terms of the labour laws. Once the case has been reported, the company management (or union) should investigate the case. Usually there will be a disciplinary inquiry to establish the facts. This will give the adjudicator the opportunity to hear both sides of the story and decide on the appropriate disciplinary measures for the harasser.

Information contained herein in is based on documentation available from the CCMA.

Tuesday, May 13, 2008

training at thermotron

hay guy... at thermotron the manager's trained us to lie to them and tell them that everything was "fine" and that they were "wonderful people". and U know customers "always complain" about anything!!..

ask randy hurdes, tom bannish, rogercannary, dave waterfield, dean tripp, bobless wiley..

ya they all had special training.. call up john tenbrink.. to him bob wiley was as "smart as a fox"

Monday, May 12, 2008

party at lunch




when at thermotron bannish was told that because everyone liked to go to lunch, we will make it a priority to take the customer to lunch..

So we told the customer .. is there a restarant U always wanted to go to ?
and is there any one in your department that u want to reward them with a FREE lunch?

Because It's PARTY time.. at thermotron,

keck we are all puppets here

Thursday, May 8, 2008

when is the customer right, ??

is the customer right when U are Wrong

the customer is always right?




thermotron required U to sign a paper stating that when U quit there U would'nt work for any one else in industry.. gee i guess they figure U will seel that pritory info to the china people... just like presedent bill clinton did..

or they will file a law suit against U like they did with Hil sysbesms..
a 1.2 million dollar non- compete deal..

they will make your life ... exciting..!!


Tuesday, May 6, 2008

if U acted right..funny



ya ya ,,.. sure..if U acted right .. I could have worked for U!

R..UUU .. A ... Nurdy????

if U don't go along with the program..

thermotron will DRUM U out!!

N .. It's only POLItics.....harrasment is normal..

ask roger cannary or dave waterfield... or maybe Mitch kerr at alltempengineering


Monday, May 5, 2008

Harassment In The Work Place

Harassment In The Work Place

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Harassment In The Work Place Is Illegal

Harassment in the work place is illegal under both federal and California state law.

On a federal level, Title VII of the Civil Rights Act prohibits harassment of an employee based on race, color, sex, religion, or national origin; the Age Discrimination in Employment Act prohibits harassment of employees who are 40 or older on the basis of age; and the Americans with Disabilities Act prohibits harassment of employees based on an employee's disability.

On a state level, the principal California statutes prohibiting harassment in the work place are the Fair Employment and Housing Act, which prohibits harassment based on race, religious creed, color, national origin, ancestry, physical disability, mental disability, medical condition, marital status, or sex, and the Labor Code which prohibits discrimination based upon sexual orientation or political beliefs.

These statutes also prohibit retaliation for complaining of discrimination to, or participating in proceedings before, the federal Equal Employment Opportunity Commission or the California Department of Fair Employment and Housing or Labor Board.

What Is Harassment?

There are two basic types of harassment.

The first type is harassment that results in a "tangible employment action," often called "quid pro quo" harassment. This type of harassment occurs when the harassing conduct results in a material change to the employee's terms of employment. An example of this type of harassment would include an employee who is denied a promotion or demoted because he or she refused a supervisor's unwelcome request for sexual favors.

The second category of harassment occurs when the harassing conduct creates a hostile work environment for the employee, and is sometimes called "environmental" harassment. Unlike "quid pro quo" harassment which can occur with just a single incident, the question of whether a hostile work environment has been created is usually a question of degree. An example of this type of harassment would include a supervisor frequently using derogatory terms when referring to a minority or disabled employee.

Neither the federal nor the California statutes prohibit simple teasing, offhand comments, or isolated incidents that are not extremely serious. However, conduct which may be relatively innocent in small doses may become harassment if repeated or combined with other conduct.

When Is The Employer Liable For Harassment?

As a general rule, the employer is always liable for harassment that results in a tangible employment action and that was committed by a president, owner, partner, corporate officer, or supervisor of the employer.

Under federal law, where the harassing conduct does not lead to a tangible employment action but creates a hostile work environment, an employer is liable for the misconduct of its president, owner, partner, corporate officer, or supervisor, unless the employer can show that:

1. it exercised reasonable care to prevent and promptly correct any harassment; and

2. the employee unreasonably failed to complain to management or to take other steps to avoid harm.

Whether this rule will be applied in California has not yet been decided.

Where the harassment is committed by a non-supervisor co-worker or a third party, generally an employer is liable only if it did not provide the employee with a reasonable avenue for complaint, or if it knew or should have known about the harassment but did nothing about it.

How Should An Employer Protect Itself Against Harassment Claims?

The best defense is to adopt a procedure to identify, prevent and correct harassment.

California law only requires employers to adopt a formal policy with respect to sexual harassment. However, if an employer can show that it adopted a formal anti-harassment policy, that it educated and trained its employees about the policy, and that it consistently implemented the policy, then the employer may be able to show that it exercised reasonable care to prevent and correct harassment. Additionally, an employer who adopts and follows a written policy against harassment also has a strong defense against a claim for punitive damages.

Friday, May 2, 2008

it's a wonderful world. gOOd 4 U .. n... U..n U

This is gOOd 4 U ... n ...U ... n ... U ... smile... it's TRUE


yes satan LoVes U !!




wHo iS gOD ? any WaY




Lust, Lies, Sex, and Porn, your Car-reer at thermotron






Lust, Lies, Sex, and Porn...by Valerie Rousseau

Recently in the news, a prominent leader of government brought shame to his
nation and family because of lust and pride. My heart went out to this man and
his family, as he publically was forced to apologize for his behavior, and resign
from office.

God warns us in his word...
Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.

Proverbs 16:18

As I watched the media coverage of this story, I was saddened to hear some
people saying they didn't think what he was doing was that bad, and he
should be allowed to continue to govern the people of his state.

One man who was interviewed on television said that in many parts of the world
prostitution is legal, and if we removed every leader out of power that committed
adultery, there would be very few leaders left.

As God's people we are called to be people of honor and integrity. When we're given the
privilege of voting for our leaders, we should prayerfully choose those who have promised
to honor God and his laws. We must pray for them continually, so they will not be lead
into temptation, and for God to remove all who abuse their power and authority.

I'm often asked ...
where in the Bible does it say that sex outside of marriage is wrong or
why does it matter if I look at pornography?

The children of Israel refused to listen to God and obey his commandments. They had seen time
and time again the wrath of God for disobedience...

When they camped near the land of Moab, they saw many
people worshipping idols and part of their idolatry was
sex outside of marriage.

The children of Israel watched in amazement, and began to
have impure thoughts. They decided, what would it hurt...
Everyone else was doing it...why should they miss out
on all the fun and excitement.

They made friendships with the people and joined in the sex
and festivities. It was a wild party and they were having the
time of their life...but God sees everything and he was not pleased.

The LORD told Moses to kill all who were disobedient and
hang their heads against the sun.

One of the children of Israel brought before the judges, a Midianite woman named Cozbi.
She had been with found with Zimri, and Israelite, who was one of the sons
of a prince of the house of the Simeonites.

When Phinehas, Aaron's grandson saw them, he rose up from
the congregation and killed Zimri and Cozbi with a javelin.

God said to Moses...Phinehas has turned my anger away from the children of Israel.
He was zealous for my sake...and so I will not consume the children of Israel
in my jealousy. I will give to him a covenant of peace. He and his children
will have an everlasting priesthood, because of his faithfulness to
me and made atonement for the children of Israel.

God instructed Moses to kill the Midianites, so they would
not continue to tempt them into sinning.

23,000 people died...because they flirted with sin
and immorality. God put this story in the Bible to warn
us not to provoke him to anger and jealousy.

God's word says...

...abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul...
1 Peter 2:11

We shake our heads when we see another child buried...
and foolishly say...Why would God allow this to happen?
Each week God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Satan and the world sneaks into the thoughts and hearts of God's children...

deceiving them with subtle traps...that eventually become deadly to their own

souls...and will also hurt others by the choices they make.


Lust comes in many forms...and often starts with loneliness and a

feeling of being unloved. A young man or woman may be shy

or not have many friends...so they go into a cocoon of isolation.


Their parents may be even Christian...but have no time for them...

or don't even notice the hurt in their eyes.

Satan is tempting us to fall into sin, by trying to deceive us.

Don't fall for his trap. All around the world we see God warning us

that we must turn from our sins. At any moment he may come

and take us from this earth. The Bible says God will come as a thief

in the night.

If we were committing an immoral act in thought or deed, and

God came to take your life...you would not have time to repent and turn?


We must mourn for the sins of the world and ask God for revival

and repentance.


God has a perfect plan for each one of you. Don't settle for second

best or risk messing up your life with playing with the fires of lust...

Beloved...If you have fallen...

Our loving Father will welcome you back and empower you with the strength

of the Holy Spirit to help you flee from temptation

ONLY IF U REALLY HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT ..

NOT THE VERSION THAT IS IN HOLLAND MICHIGAN OR IN THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH..

THAT IS THE "PRETEND" VERSION..

designed for IDOITS... AND STUPID PEOPLE..

WHO THINK THAT BY wanting to be an ENGINEER that they are one!!

or wanting to be a DECIPLE .. THAT THEY ARE....