thermotron alltempengineering

To: service@alltempeng.comCc: Subject: brucebutler/mitch kerrDate: Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:30:39
hell o, Bruce,

yes i do know that mitch has been gone for about 5 years.. but i was wondering if there are people in the environmental chamber business who are not liars, theves and embezzlers..

Hil told me he wasn't as big a thief as som guy named Nevil a service man turned sales at envirotronics (i think)
along with john tenbrink.. who bragged that bob wiley would believe his lies..

I did write a Thesis based on the robbery thief and embezzlement that surrounded me when i was on the west coast.

Tom Patterson told me that after u lie cheat, steal and defraud the first 500 people .. it gets easer. Tom bannish told me it's ok to be a currupt pervert because "they are all currupt"and that everyone will believe his lies.


i was talking to hil sysbesma about t-land and was wondering what kind of people u now have on the west coast?

Un less it is the same kind of business when hil was there.. where skill, ability and performance don't matter.. (quote from dean tripp)
( a long time liar, embezzler, he said they like people who are dishosest , liars and thieves)

hello hil... i was in holland and talking to stan van lear.. and some other guy at "turners " ESD company.

.any way i came across this add.. and was wondering is this what it was about when u and i worked there..???

what's the con job on this one?.. as i have always had to ask some one else what was said.. as u said .. i did't believe any of tom banishes lies..

the the thief i worked with .. Greg V Johnson a Tom Bannash pet, was a neighbor hood thief before he worked at thermotron and he showed me the many houses he was in when he was living in Pasadena california.

The company montgumery wards was in the process of building a case against him for fraud and thief when tom bannash hired him..

Under tom bannash the sky was the limit for stealing and embezzlement.

When i asked tome bannash, roger cannary and dan okeefe the presendent what thermotron budgeted for robbery and thief.. they got mad at me and because i also as about their policy of "drumming people out" i got a 5 page letter accusing me of not being a company man and thinking i was better then the other employees.

I did file a complaint with the labor commision on their withholding the service commision payment and i was told dan okeefe "hit the roof" but i called him before and asked him directily about it.. But darn it i guess dan okeefe lied to me.

Gred V Johnson

He embessled over 50,000 dollars robbed the customer and stole from his co-workers and the last year he spent selling realestate. So, he just filled out paper work, and tom bannash didn't care. That is the type of character he has..

Dean tripp said bannash will do what is ever easest.. and he didn't think he had any morals or ethics. No wonder he told me that it is ok to be currupt ..

as u know Gred V Johnson was fired by the next company enseco for thief and embezzlement,

when i talked to randy bunn the boss/owner at enseco

they were surprised that someone who worked for thermotron ( under tom bannash instruction)for over 3 years wasn't any good and could on ly change sonolids..

But hil, u know tom bannash promoted lying stealing and embesslement.. " and his i lied for u management" and his "it's ok to be currupt because everyone's currupt!

yes, the west coast was a den of liers and theves when he was there.

thermotron does offer opportunity to expend ones ability to lie and steal..

i guesss mark lamers was right when he told me that "good people don't work here" or at least at that time.

Hi Paul, I had to look several times to verify it was the same company we'd worked for in the past.

That Unique Bonus System sounds like quite a carrot, doesn't it?

Very interesting, but I don't think it will take too long for the newly hired to see the true colors.

Hil

tom bannash

well when i was stuck working with him.. he bragged that everyone would believe his lies..

When u look at all the people he harrased and drummed out it is impressive.. he would call up co-workers on the sly and tell them to "get close" to them so he could build a case again them.

He would also call up workers and tell them to "make it hard" on the other workers.

Dean Tripp (who is in New mexico Farmington) said when Tom Bannash worked for him, he really didn't have the "character to be a manager"

Hil Sy.. sain he had the same problem he wanted to lie, cheat steal,embezzle, and he still wanted people to like him.

In the san fran office he harrased and drummed out 4 members of the sales support staff, the service staff, and the sales staff.. and this was by lieing and pitting the people against each other..

Tom Bannash said "every one is the manager".. now Gregory V Johnson in that office was able to steal and rob in the amount of 50,000 thousand dollars and steal every thing in the office..

He said who ever tells Tom Bannash what ever he wants to hear is right..
and it dosen't matter what u do to any one.. so long as u get away with it and blame it on some one else..

Enseco the next environmental chamber service company greg v johnson worked for fired him in about 4 months for "ROBBERY, THIEF, AND EMBEZZLEMENT, and they couldn't figure out who he had mantaged to work for Tom Bannash for 3 years and he couldn't do anything but change silonid valves..

But everyone knows he was Tom Bannash's false wittness and co-conspiracy informant

thermotron fred plont

any way

.i was talking to turner's old company EST, and met stan van lear, and russ barns..

now see i do know a few people who still seem to be good people..
unless i am wrong.

( and i didn't even add dick alverson to this obviously growing list)

As i told management there before, i was not interested in working there when tom bannash was there ( they fied him, or rather told him to leave?)

because tom bannash promoted lying cheating stealing robbery embezzelment employee harassment and slander..

I asked him and roger cannary and danny boy.. if thermotron was just a money laundering company for the maiafa..

I also asked them how much they budgeted for thief and embezzlement.. and danny boy got mad at me when i filed a claim with the labor commision ..

I ended up with five pages of #**%++@$%^ and if i don't *&^% then #$%^&*(_, and further more .. business is business..

heck greg v johnson MINI tom bannish .. robbed over $50,000

yes that is fifty thousand dollars..

and he says he wasn't as big as thief as hil..

who i talked with last month..

(tom bannash was big on telling employees to lie and defrad each other and make it hard on them)

dean trippp said bannash wanted to build a case against every one..

Don't you know tom bannish is an evil man? Oh wait as selly in parts and logisats or mark lammers or hmm it's just politics.. to lie cheat and defraud people.

Just as greg v johnson daily robbed customers.. as well as his co-workers

he was a neighbor hood thief in pasadena ca where he grew up, and showed me different places he robbed.

Every one in that office told bannish this but you Can't tell a Dummy anything ...

that's why they are called dummies

so he drummed out the 5 sales support staff and every one else.

When tom bannish comes to town there is an increase in robbery thief and embezzelment and lying.

( same thing with greg v johnson)

birds of a feather flock together.

But this should be common knowledge..

just as fred plont plont tells me gee isn't every one a lier and a thief?

According to fred that is all he and the sales staff did in colorado.

So do you know any one else that has good character in this business?

Dan O'keff only seems to hire liers thieves and slanders as his management staff.

(roger cannery, dave water in the field, tom bannash, etc) a

nd even you had your turn..

When thermotron shows up .. you have to safe guard your facility..with the peity thieves,liers and embesslers nothing is safe.

mark lammers said to me

"didn't i know good people don't work at thermotron for very long"

Hil sysbesma defined thermotron management as being "petty and vindictive"

Bob wiley set the standard and dan o' keff further developed it.

So do you know of any places that hire good people ?

or is it an industry standard?

Over the years I have found I don't like working with liers thieves and embesslers very much..too cut throat for me.

If you are not one of them they attack you.

So, if it is wrong for me to identify them ... opps... i am sorry.. they are all probably gay.. and believe it is just a life style..ha ha ... laugh laugh..

ya being a lier and a thief is just a life stlye..

Well Tom bannish told me all you people were stupid and would believe what ever lies he said...

Keven Holt thermotron

Kevin Holt of Gastonia bears little likeness to the chiseled warriors depicted in Army posters.
He's 41, heavyset and has a habit of pushing his eyeglasses to the bridge of his nose.

He's a citizen-soldier.

The former sailor enlisted in the National Guard in July 2004 as a way to supplement his income and heed a call to service.
Last summer, between supervising a chow line at Camp Speicher outside Tikrit, Iraq, and running food convoys, Holt sat at dusty computer keyboards, hunting and pecking the answers to his online college course. He hoped a business degree would help him land a job.
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Thermotron Industries, based in Holland, Mich., fired Holt in April 2005, near the height of the Bush administration's call-up of National Guard members and just a week after Holt told the company he was being deployed to Iraq.


Holt serviced Thermotron's environmental ...chambers

thermotron

RE: thermotron
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I was acquainted with Bob Wiley and Tom Bannach.

They came into the picture about the time I left, so I did not know them well.

As I recall, Bob did have a reputation for technical incompetence, although customers often spoke highly of him and ask for him back.

Nobody could figure that out, other than to assume that he had a very good “bedside manner.”

Tom was the night shift tester after I left. He never impressed me as having a lot on the ball technically, but seemed personable and willing at the time.

I assumed he was learning, and night shift testing didn’t amount to much more than running the chambers anyway.

I also expected that the day shift and Mark Briggs probably signed off on everything before anything shipped.

Ken Russell was Chuck Conrad’s brother-in-law, as I recall. Chuck started out as a refrigeration mechanic in Ludington, and then went to work for Ken in Holland.

From there he moved on to start Conrad Corporation and build environmental test chambers. They were, at the time, only hot/cold and humidity boxes.Needing to expand, Chuck sold off some stock.
Up to that point, Conrad was privately held. Chuck made the mistake of selling more than half the stock, thinking he was safe since it went to three people, evidently on a 20/20/20/40 basis, with him holding twice as many shares as anyone else.

He soon found out that the three new stockholders were in league with each other, and they quickly made things so uncomfortable for him that he sold off the rest of his shares and left.

Gulf & Western eventually took over Conrad Corp.Chuck launched Thermotron reservedly at the request of Norm Pongey, Conrad Corp’s former sales rep for the east coast technology corridor.

Chuck always claimed that he started Thermotron with a meager $1,500 investment. Once having launched, he became obsessed with the goal of killing Conrad Corp, featuring his name and photograph under the Thermotron logo on everything the company published, even its letterheads.
Conrad Corp was quickly subdued.

After struggling near the bottom for a few years, they eventually sold out to Bemco in California, and the brand disappeared.

Chuck was astute and gutsy, and went to Washington D.C. to participate as a charter member of the “Advisory Group on the Reliability of Electronic Equipment,” ultimately becoming known as the “AGREE committee.”
that happened as reliability engineering was coming into its own, with experts realizing that solid-state stuff had a rather predictable “bathtub shaped” failure rate profile.

The Pentagon then adopted a very sensible procurement system, requiring vendors to demonstrate that equipment had gotten through the inherent period of initial “infancy failures” and into the life-cycle period where long-term reliable operation could be expected.

This gave rise to a market for “AGREE chambers” (hot/cold+vibration) which was suddenly demand-intensive and very lucrative.At that point, his former friend and coworker

Don Bench bought Russell’s Refrigeration, and shortly after closing the deal, branched out into the test chamber business as a competitor to Thermotron. Chuck never forgave him.

Chuck had a tendency to demand loyalty and see anything less than complete loyalty as betrayal.

We (Warner Instruments) did a little business with Russell’s. Don always seemed niggardly.

The flip side of that was that they always paid well, because we shipped on 1.5/10, net 30 terms. Bill initially did the buying, and as I recall wasn’t the easiest to get along with.

Our relationship with Russell’s ended with their having phoned in an unusually large order, then reneging on the deal, claiming it had just been a joke. That was a lie, of course.
What actually happened, we expected, was that Don or Bill looked at the big cost, and decided on a cheaper alternative.

They always entered orders verbally and we had never required confirming purchase orders. The unusually large quantity on this order seemed unusual, but we appreciated having been given the business. It turned out that we were, indeed, “given the business.”

We got stuck with a lot of Russell-specific inventory. We never saw another order after that, and they were never willing to discuss the reason why.

The reason was probably because they had someone reverse-engineer the product and set up a basement operation.

I met Dan Okeefe during Chuck’s last tour through the plant, which I wrote about before.
I wasn’t favorably impressed with his “in your face” way of violating my personal space (always standing just within one’s comfort zone and apparently sizing them up).

Chuck claimed that he was really a nice fellow and highly competent, so I took his word for that. Others told me later on, that the word had gone out to keep me out of the plants, presumably because
I was suspected of sharing observed secrets with Thermotron competitors. They didn’t have any secrets worth sharing, at least as far as I knew. Maybe I wasn’t all that observant. Alternatively, maybe the secrets consisted of dirty laundry which Dan didn’t care to have Chuck to become aware of.

As I said, Chuck had a very high opinion of him.That’s about it. I didn’t know any of the others you mentioned. The local Thermotron rep stops by here every two or three years, purportedly just for “old time’s sake.”

He claims to have known me at Thermotron, but I have no memory of him there. Doesn’t mean he wasn’t there at the time. He’s a tall, friendly, well-dressed and good-looking guy.

Very presentable; a good person to have fronting for you, from that point of view. I’m surprised to not have his card on file. He always leaves literature; I guess I always stick it in the round file, since I can’t seem to find any of it.

For what it’s worth, I suspect the compromising of truth and business ethics began with the John Sexton/Harlan Sprick regime.

They replaced the “Executive Committee” I’ve already spoken of. The EC continued for a while, but with John presiding, and Harlan (who was the Corporate Controller at the time) sitting at the opposite end of the long boardroom table.

Their two votes trumped all the others put together, they clearly followed a “the ends justify the means” philosophy, and obviously always came to the meetings with their minds already made up about whatever was at issue. After a while, I just quit wasting my time on EC meetings.

That suited John fine, since he and I had gotten off to a bad start at day one.I might have already mentioned that before John was hired as Executive Vice President and given the unfettered reigns of the company, Chuck asked me for my opinion of him, and Bart Tillit, and a second candidate for the same position, who came to us from Bendix.

My opinion was that Bart seemed to understand our corporate culture, such as it was, and that his professional management skills would probably prove an invaluable asset.

All I could say for John was that I thought he was a phony, condescending sonofabitch. As soon as he took over, John began to engineer my demise, doing what he could to defame me.

Most of it got back to me; John hadn’t yet destroyed our family-style camaraderie yet at that point. He used ploys like pretending to befriend my second in command, Jim Diekema, feeding him lines like ‘Warner may be a big deal here, but in the real world this so-called “boy genius” wouldn’t qualify even as a technician’s helper or lab sweeper.’

We laughed all that stuff off, but it did hurt and anger me.In the end, John and Harlan were soon were fired after the Wehr people took over.

John started his own company under his own name, initially building all sorts and sizes of chamber fronts to take pictures of for a catalog, although Sexton Enterprises (or was it Sexton Industries?) had never built its first workable unit.

That’s what the gossip was, at any rate. He eventually decided to thought he could outsmart the Tabai people (Thermotron’s former Japanese partner) and became Sexton/Espec for a while, but that was another one of his many mistakes.

Soon it was called “Tabai/Espec,” then just ESPEC.After all is said and done, Warner Instruments continues to exist, such as it is; Sexton is history.

I understand he wound up as someone’s sales rep. So nice guys do not always finish last.For what it’s worth - I see your rants about Thermotron are not limited to messages for me.

Thermotron is now a part of Venturedyne, a well-heeled holding company well-versed in the art of litigation. Without doubt, they have on retainer first class downtown legal talent with plenty of interns sitting around looking for something to do.
truth is an absolute defense in deformation suits, so I hope you are able to back up all of the allegations and accusations you are making with credible evidence. Otherwise, I would advise that you present your diatribes as personal opinions, rather than stated facts.

Perhaps it would be sufficient to explain that you had very unpleasant experiences working with the company, citing the bad things that happened to you personally, and dropping the unrelated he said/she said stuff about others.Alternatively, you might even consider just dropping the whole thing and moving on. Continuing to harbor such strong feelings - evidently hateful and vindictive feelings – are sure to hurt you much more than it will Thermotron or any of the others involved.

I’m sure you know that people are all fallible; all a mixed bag, there being much good and some not so good in every individual – including you and me.During my life, I’ve noticed that sayings such as “what goes around, comes around” almost always proves to have a lot of merit. I don’t hold myself up as a paragon of virtue by any means.

But I am able to say that although during my thirty years in business I have not created an empire or made a fortune, there is nobody I can’t look in the eye and great with a smile. And I don’t think there are many, if any, who would be willing to assert that they were treated unfairly or dishonestly.

Therefore I can be comfortable wherever I go, I sleep easily at night, and will go to my grave without a lot of regrets.The best hope for the less scrupulous is to die young.
As one gets beyond retirement age and has time to reflect upon what was achieved, and at what cost, I can tell you that conscience begins to exact a price, even from the most hardened. You may have heard about the familiar democracy-autocracy-philanthropy pattern.

Many try to compensate for their misdeeds and buy back hurts they cause others by giving away fortunes. But that almost never works.

They go to their rest as bitter and unhappy old men.-=glw=-

thermotron /dean tripp

hey i was talking to john dane and all temp engineering and he was telling me some interesting things about u..

when u worked for tom bannach at thermotron your job was to

1.to lie to the customer
2. lie to your co-workers
3.and go heavy and cheat on your travel time and working hours.

.greg v johnson said he wasn't as big of thief as hil sysbesma, and who ever tells u and
tom bannach want ever lies they want to hear is right..

and it dosen't matter what u say about any one or do to any one .. so long as u get away with it and blame it on some one else..

hil sysbesma told me .. that greg v johnson had Tom Bannach around his "little finger"

Tom Bannach "liked his lies" and drummed out and defrauded all his co-workers

well Dean Tripp u said they like people like that.. people to steal, rob and lie on a daily basis..

Marty Rich simplified it ..

They thermotron

like it when they tell u that u lied for them..

Tom Bannach was the only manager i know who told his co-workers that He lied for them..

so now they have to lie for him..